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Group: DynoMotion Message: 8164 From: rick.willow Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Total new user
Hi Tom
just received Kflop
great looking piece of electronics
i want to connect it to a chinese router 3040 (using for engraving)
it normally connect direct thro parallel port

www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/3020t/CNCusermanual.doc

x axis step pin 2 dir pin 3 port 1
y axis step pin 4 dir pin 5 port 1
z axis step pin 6 dir pin 7 port 1
e stop port 1 pin 13

question
ribbon cable from kflop to control pip to pin ??
i noticed that on kflop 26 pin connector pin 3 may be 12 volt
what is the situation as above x axis ??
do you have a guide to set up ie- for dummies

regards

rick
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8165 From: Vlad O Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Rick,
Welcome to crowd of KFlop and CNC excitement !

You perhaps can use router as is with an computer with a Parallel Port available, and existing control box and software. Your computer software will be "print" step by step each coordinate, depended on the control box hardware and software in PC will do chopping the coordinates and translate to control box via parallel port.
 
But if you would move to another level of quality engraving, speed, performance, multitasking - you need deal with KFlop !  It is not a just connection to KFlop to parallel cable of your controller.  You need tear it apart and connect directly to drivers and limit switches, home switch etc. You need some more components, then just a KFlop and stepper drivers, you need to build or use something like interface to your limit switches, home, router relay, etc.  You can look here:  http://umaxcnc.com/
Software wise, with your router come with a set of software or they offer for you to use just a print mode.  Somethings different when you use KFlop - you will use reach and powerful KfFlop/KMotion software, and on top you have an option to use MACH or similar, and in this case you will have much more powerful performance and flexibility.

Sorry to be short, but it is a project with your setup, and you already familiar with all this above.

Happy CNCing !
Vlad




On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:36 AM, rick.willow <rick.willow@...> wrote:
 

Hi Tom
just received Kflop
great looking piece of electronics
i want to connect it to a chinese router 3040 (using for engraving)
it normally connect direct thro parallel port

www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/3020t/CNCusermanual.doc

x axis step pin 2 dir pin 3 port 1
y axis step pin 4 dir pin 5 port 1
z axis step pin 6 dir pin 7 port 1
e stop port 1 pin 13

question
ribbon cable from kflop to control pip to pin ??
i noticed that on kflop 26 pin connector pin 3 may be 12 volt
what is the situation as above x axis ??
do you have a guide to set up ie- for dummies

regards

rick


Group: DynoMotion Message: 8166 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Rick,

KFLOP has a completely different pinout than a Parallel Port and operates much differently.   Connecting it directly as a Parallel port will likely cause damage.

I assume you wish to run Mach3?

Step/Dir signals are generated by KFLOP hardware Devices that are basically wired to fixed pins.  You can configure which Step/Dir Generator an axis uses but not the specific Pins (like Mach3 does with a Parallel Port).  This Functional Diagram may help:

http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SchematicsKFLOP/KFLOPFunctionalDiagram.htm

Here is more information on how KFLOP can be configured to drive different types of input types (open collector or LVTTL):

http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/StepAndDirection/StepAndDir.htm

Here is a thread on cnczone about converting from PC parallel port to KFLOP

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/dynomotion_kflop_kanalog/140569-kflop_replacing_lpt_mach3.html
HTH
Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 8191 From: rick.willow Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Tom
Thanks for the info
i think i may be on the right track ???
i have drawn a inter board
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/files/Kflop%20lpt%20interface/
could you have a look and comment

on another subject i a thinking about replaceing the current stepper drive board on the router with your system or gekco
i would like to have closed loop for system
any thoughts

regards

rick


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> KFLOP has a completely different pinout than a Parallel Port and operates much differently.   Connecting it directly as a Parallel port will likely cause damage.
>
>
> I assume you wish to run Mach3?
>
> Step/Dir signals are generated by KFLOP hardware Devices that are basically wired to fixed pins.  You can configure which Step/Dir Generator an axis uses but not the specific Pins (like Mach3 does with a Parallel Port).  This Functional Diagram may help:
>
> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SchematicsKFLOP/KFLOPFunctionalDiagram.htm
>
> Here is more information on how KFLOP can be configured to drive different types of input types (open collector or LVTTL):
>
> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/StepAndDirection/StepAndDir.htm
>
>
> Here is a thread on cnczone about converting from PC parallel port to KFLOP
>
>
> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/dynomotion_kflop_kanalog/140569-kflop_replacing_lpt_mach3.html
>
> HTH
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rick.willow <rick.willow@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:36 AM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Total new user
>
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom
> just received Kflop
> great looking piece of electronics
> i want to connect it to a chinese router 3040 (using for engraving)
> it normally connect direct thro parallel port
>
> www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/3020t/CNCusermanual.doc
>
> x axis step pin 2 dir pin 3 port 1
> y axis step pin 4 dir pin 5 port 1
> z axis step pin 6 dir pin 7 port 1
> e stop port 1 pin 13
>
> question
> ribbon cable from kflop to control pip to pin ??
> i noticed that on kflop 26 pin connector pin 3 may be 12 volt
> what is the situation as above x axis ??
> do you have a guide to set up ie- for dummies
>
> regards
>
> rick
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8192 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Rick,

It looks like you are planning on mounting the ribbon connector on the bottom of the board?

KFLOP inputs are LVTTL signals which must be driven high and low.  If you leave them unconnected (floating) they can be high or low.  There is no guarantee that they will be low.  They are Mosfet inputs with very high input impedance (meg ohms).  So usually a pull up resistor is used to drive the pin high and a switch can then be used to force the pin low.

They are also 3.3V LVTTL signals so you should avoid forcing them above ~ 3.8V.  So it would be better to connect the pull up resistor to +3.3V (JP7 Pin1) rather than +5V.

Actually KFLOP Connectors JP4 and JP6 each have the first 8 IO with 150ohm pull down resistors.  So those may be switched to 3.3V with a simple switch.

Encoders can be added to this system, our KSTEP Stepepr Driver System, or a Gecko Drive system to detect a stall or miss-step.

Regards
TK
 

Group: DynoMotion Message: 8198 From: rick.willow Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Tom
thanks
will do some more planning
i can not believe the support that you give for your product it would be great if other suppliers done the same
here in australia suppliers are sell it and forget you
Regards
richard
ps have you any users in perth aus ???

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> It looks like you are planning on mounting the ribbon connector on the bottom of the board?
>
> KFLOP inputs are LVTTL signals which must be driven high and low.  If you leave them unconnected (floating) they can be high or low.  There is no guarantee that they will be low.  They are Mosfet inputs with very high input impedance (meg ohms).  So usually a pull up resistor is used to drive the pin high and a switch can then be used to force the pin low.
>
> They are also 3.3V LVTTL signals so you should avoid forcing them above ~ 3.8V.  So it would be better to connect the pull up resistor to +3.3V (JP7 Pin1) rather than +5V.
>
> Actually KFLOP Connectors JP4 and JP6 each have the first 8 IO with 150ohm pull down resistors.  So those may be switched to 3.3V with a simple switch.
>
> Encoders can be added to this system, our KSTEP Stepepr Driver System, or a Gecko Drive system to detect a stall or miss-step.
>
> Regards
> TK
>  
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rick.willow <rick.willow@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:12 AM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Total new user
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Tom
> Thanks for the info
> i think i may be on the right track ???
> i have drawn a inter board
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/files/Kflop%20lpt%20interface/
> could you have a look and comment
>
> on another subject i a thinking about replaceing the current stepper drive board on the router with your system or gekco
> i would like to have closed loop for system
> any thoughts
>
> regards
>
> rick
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > KFLOP has a completely different pinout than a Parallel Port and operates much differently.   Connecting it directly as a Parallel port will likely cause damage.
> >
> >
> > I assume you wish to run Mach3?
> >
> > Step/Dir signals are generated by KFLOP hardware Devices that are basically wired to fixed pins.  You can configure which Step/Dir Generator an axis uses but not the specific Pins (like Mach3 does with a Parallel Port).  This Functional Diagram may help:
> >
> > http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SchematicsKFLOP/KFLOPFunctionalDiagram.htm
> >
> > Here is more information on how KFLOP can be configured to drive different types of input types (open collector or LVTTL):
> >
> > http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/StepAndDirection/StepAndDir.htm
> >
> >
> > Here is a thread on cnczone about converting from PC parallel port to KFLOP
> >
> >
> > http://www.cnczone.com/forums/dynomotion_kflop_kanalog/140569-kflop_replacing_lpt_mach3.html
> >
> > HTH
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: rick.willow <rick.willow@>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:36 AM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Total new user
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom
> > just received Kflop
> > great looking piece of electronics
> > i want to connect it to a chinese router 3040 (using for engraving)
> > it normally connect direct thro parallel port
> >
> > www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/3020t/CNCusermanual.doc
> >
> > x axis step pin 2 dir pin 3 port 1
> > y axis step pin 4 dir pin 5 port 1
> > z axis step pin 6 dir pin 7 port 1
> > e stop port 1 pin 13
> >
> > question
> > ribbon cable from kflop to control pip to pin ??
> > i noticed that on kflop 26 pin connector pin 3 may be 12 volt
> > what is the situation as above x axis ??
> > do you have a guide to set up ie- for dummies
> >
> > regards
> >
> > rick
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8201 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Rick,

I don't know.  Are any of these close by?

Innaloo, Western Australia

Maroochydore, Queensland

Lindfield, New South Wales

St Kilda East, Victoria

Harlaxton, Queensland

Hamersley, Western Australia

Holt, Australian Capital Territory 

Cranbourne North, Victoria

Boronia, Victoria

Innisfail, Queensland

Roleystone, Western Australia

Brisbane, Queensland

Cromer, New South Wales

Babinda, Queensland

Meeniyan, Victoria

Nerang, Queensland

Clarkson, Western Australia

Camberwell, Victoria

Clovass, New South Wales

Harlaxton

Moorabbin, Victoria

Sydney, New South Wales

Cranbourne North, Victoria

Calgary , Ab

Melbourne, Victoria

Williamstown, North Victoria

Thomastown, Victoria

Carine, Western

Docklands, Victoria

TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 8204 From: rick.willow Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: Total new user
Hi Tom
these locations are close
Hamersley, Western Australia
Carine, Western
Innaloo, Western Australia ( could be me )??
Clarkson, Western Australia
any contact info for users ??
regards
richard


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> I don't know.  Are any of these close by?
>
> Innaloo, Western
> Australia
>
>
> Maroochydore, Queensland
>
>
> Lindfield, New
> South Wales
>
>
> St Kilda East, Victoria
>
>
> Harlaxton, Queensland
>
>
> Hamersley, Western
> Australia
>
>
> Holt,
> Australian Capital Territory 
>
> Cranbourne
> North, Victoria
>
>
> Boronia, Victoria
>
>
> Innisfail, Queensland
>
>
> Roleystone, Western Australia
>
>
> Brisbane, Queensland
>
>
> Cromer, New South Wales
>
>
> Babinda, Queensland
>
>
> Meeniyan, Victoria
>
>
> Nerang, Queensland
>
>
> Clarkson, Western Australia
>
>
> Camberwell, Victoria
>
>
> Clovass, New South Wales
>
>
> Harlaxton
>
>
> Moorabbin,
> Victoria
>
>
> Sydney, New South Wales
>
>
> Cranbourne North, Victoria
>
>
> Calgary , Ab
>
>
> Melbourne,
> Victoria
>
>
> Williamstown,
> North Victoria
>
>
> Thomastown,
> Victoria
>
>
> Carine,
> Western
>
>
> Docklands, Victoria
>
> TK
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rick.willow <rick.willow@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:09 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Total new user
>
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom
> thanks
> will do some more planning
> i can not believe the support that you give for your product it would be great if other suppliers done the same
> here in australia suppliers are sell it and forget you
> Regards
> richard
> ps have you any users in perth aus ???
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > It looks like you are planning on mounting the ribbon connector on the bottom of the board?
> >
> > KFLOP inputs are LVTTL signals which must be driven high and low.  If you leave them unconnected (floating) they can be high or low.  There is no guarantee that they will be low.  They are Mosfet inputs with very high input impedance (meg ohms).  So usually a pull up resistor is used to drive the pin high and a switch can then be used to force the pin low.
> >
> > They are also 3.3V LVTTL signals so you should avoid forcing them above ~ 3.8V.  So it would be better to connect the pull up resistor to +3.3V (JP7 Pin1) rather than +5V.
> >
> > Actually KFLOP Connectors JP4 and JP6 each have the first 8 IO with 150ohm pull down resistors.  So those may be switched to 3.3V with a simple switch.
> >
> > Encoders can be added to this system, our KSTEP Stepepr Driver System, or a Gecko Drive system to detect a stall or miss-step.
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >  
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: rick.willow <rick.willow@>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:12 AM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Total new user
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hi Tom
> > Thanks for the info
> > i think i may be on the right track ???
> > i have drawn a inter board
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/files/Kflop%20lpt%20interface/
> > could you have a look and comment
> >
> > on another subject i a thinking about replaceing the current stepper drive board on the router with your system or gekco
> > i would like to have closed loop for system
> > any thoughts
> >
> > regards
> >
> > rick
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rick,
> > >
> > > KFLOP has a completely different pinout than a Parallel Port and operates much differently.   Connecting it directly as a Parallel port will likely cause damage.
> > >
> > >
> > > I assume you wish to run Mach3?
> > >
> > > Step/Dir signals are generated by KFLOP hardware Devices that are basically wired to fixed pins.  You can configure which Step/Dir Generator an axis uses but not the specific Pins (like Mach3 does with a Parallel Port).  This Functional Diagram may help:
> > >
> > > http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SchematicsKFLOP/KFLOPFunctionalDiagram.htm
> > >
> > > Here is more information on how KFLOP can be configured to drive different types of input types (open collector or LVTTL):
> > >
> > > http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/StepAndDirection/StepAndDir.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a thread on cnczone about converting from PC parallel port to KFLOP
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.cnczone.com/forums/dynomotion_kflop_kanalog/140569-kflop_replacing_lpt_mach3.html
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: rick.willow <rick.willow@>
> > > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:36 AM
> > > Subject: [DynoMotion] Total new user
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Hi Tom
> > > just received Kflop
> > > great looking piece of electronics
> > > i want to connect it to a chinese router 3040 (using for engraving)
> > > it normally connect direct thro parallel port
> > >
> > > www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/3020t/CNCusermanual.doc
> > >
> > > x axis step pin 2 dir pin 3 port 1
> > > y axis step pin 4 dir pin 5 port 1
> > > z axis step pin 6 dir pin 7 port 1
> > > e stop port 1 pin 13
> > >
> > > question
> > > ribbon cable from kflop to control pip to pin ??
> > > i noticed that on kflop 26 pin connector pin 3 may be 12 volt
> > > what is the situation as above x axis ??
> > > do you have a guide to set up ie- for dummies
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > rick
> > >
> >
>